Dose anyone have any idea why after the takeoff there is no reception of satellites in the plan.
I recorded the taxi and the takeoff at 300 km/h. After one minute there were no satellites.
Giora
I assume that you were not in a comercial aircraft.
Maybe the inflight electronics also jammed yuor GPS reception (maybe accidentally) although as I said I was of the belief that this sort of electronics was not supposed to be operational during comercial flight for safety reasons.
I do however beleive that one of the previous NST uses of the month showed a private flight he went on for a birthday present in a vintage aircraft. The electronic systems are very different on vintage aircraft though.
mbrett
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Yes it was a commercial flight. I was in offline mode.
I set near the window. I had many satellite.
All was recorded until we were about 100 meters above ground.
Do you think the electronic of the plan will block signals in?
I think you can use it in offline mode but I'm not sure.
https://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/workoutdetail/index.do?id=524956
tracking a flight is working =)
that has been the stop before the takeoff. had some trouble with the gps reception during the start. my mobile slided away from the window due to the accerlation. after that i clamped the mobile between the sunshades and the window which worked pretty fine as you can see =)
This is very interesting. It shows you the map too.
Maybe on Israeli plans they do something.
I'll try next time.
I've used my mobile for tracking data on commercial flights since I first got my E61 (pre-SportsTracker days). However, since I use an external BT GPS device, I am breaking the rules. I usually fly Star Alliance (SAS, Lufthansa) and have never been hassled.
A window seat is a must. Locking satellites before takeoff is recommended. When flying routes over extreme northern latitudes, I usually lose my lock unless my window faces south.
I've never heard of "signal jamming".
GPS reception inside an aircraft or on a train is generally quite poor. I get better "locks" on an aircraft than I do on Sweden's X2000 trains. Perhaps it's the difference in fuselage thickness.
-David
Current setup: e61 unbranded product code 0529654 Euro-B1 Silver. Firmware: 3.0633.09.04. Theme: Ovi blue. Service provider: 3 Sweden. Peripherals: Bluemax ext BT GPS module
"However, since I use an external BT GPS device, I am breaking the rules."
Making up your own safety rules just so you can play with your electronic toys is stupid, arrogant, immature and an indication of complete disregard of the safety of people around you.
I also said I've never been hassled which tells you that at least some flight attendants knew I was using my device.
I never hide my use and would turn it off if asked. No problems.
-David
Current setup: e61 unbranded product code 0529654 Euro-B1 Silver. Firmware: 3.0633.09.04. Theme: Ovi blue. Service provider: 3 Sweden. Peripherals: Bluemax ext BT GPS module
Incase what I suggested is being taken as intentional signal jamming, that is not what I meant.
What I was implying was that the in flight systems could provide interferance to certain signals as well as teh structure of the aircraft providing damping of any internal to external or external to internal signals. I know it is possible to intentionally jam signals, but I was not suggetsing this is what is happening. All electrionics act as antennas to some degree all antenna transmit outside of there intended frequencies and some of these can then interfere with other electronics. This general ethos is why mobile phones and transmitting are not permitted to be used on most commercial aircraft.
mbrett
N95 8Gb (Product Code: 0558787 (UK)) FW 31.0.018
There's some interesting stuff out there to read about jamming devices. So, even if you weren't implying intentional jamming, I'm glad you brought it up.
A very close relative of mine is pilot for SAS, the benefits of which are many. He tells me that his fellow pilots are not concerned with the "no personal electronics" regulations anymore. Using Bluetooth broadcasts signals, but again no concern with modern planes.
He says, years ago the use of Bluetooth slipped by when laptops supporting BT were allowed on board. While new rules made it obvious to turn off mobile devices or switch to offline mode, many, many laptops had Bluetooth constantly on. Nevertheless, modern planes and their electronics are designed to resist interference from much stronger, and potentially evil, sources nowadays.
This subject always seems to incite debate and there's plenty of articles supporting both sides out there.
-David
Current setup: e61 unbranded product code 0529654 Euro-B1 Silver. Firmware: 3.0633.09.04. Theme: Ovi blue. Service provider: 3 Sweden. Peripherals: Bluemax ext BT GPS module
"I also said I've never been hassled which tells you that at least some flight attendants knew I was using my device"
Well... at least you just confirmed the stupid part. Exactly how does the lack of 'hassling' tell you that the flight attendants knew you were playing with your forbidden toys potentially endangering the lives of everyone aboard. For me the lack of 'hassling' points to that the flight attendants were unaware of your immature defiance.
I wonder if lack of responsibility and undeveloped sense of causality go hand in hand?
It is good to know that you write little disclaimers that justify your making your own rules and disregard the FAA ones. That's cute.
In djh.sthlm's defence.
A number of commercial aircraft manufacturer's are presently purchasing and installing THALES Top Flight Satcom systems which incorporate GSM towers into the aircraft and enable mobile phone calls to be made during flight as the risk to the aircraft flight systems have been proven to be more resilient than previously assumed.
Some of the use electronic transmitting devices adn the aircraft will fall out of the sky is just scaremongering based on the principal if you allow nothing then you don't have the hassle of defining which transmittig devices are allowed and which are not.
mbrett
N95 8Gb (Product Code: 0558787 (UK)) FW 31.0.018
I just dont agree with you.
No matter what our beliefs on the subject are, discussing them is what this forum is here for. I like contibuting and listening and leave out
personal assesments of other's characters.
I offer full tranparency: real name, personal blog link with all my contact info including phone number, etc.
I just love NST and want to offer my help. In one way or another, I think I'm doing that.
David
Current setup: e61 unbranded product code 0529654 Euro-B1 Silver. Firmware: 3.0633.09.04. Theme: Ovi blue. Service provider: 3 Sweden. Peripherals: Bluemax ext BT GPS module
@djh.sthlm: I assume that's not in response to my post.
mbrett
N95 8Gb (Product Code: 0558787 (UK)) FW 31.0.018
Im on the go right now and took too long to reply. At the hospital, ready for delivery. Ill email you when I get news. Thanks for your advice, this is it. :-)
david
Current setup: e61 unbranded product code 0529654 Euro-B1 Silver. Firmware: 3.0633.09.04. Theme: Ovi blue. Service provider: 3 Sweden. Peripherals: Bluemax ext BT GPS module
All the best
The Excitement!!
Our thought are with you both.
Look forward to hearing from you.
mbrett
N95 8Gb (Product Code: 0558787 (UK)) FW 31.0.018
"I just don't agree with you. No matter what our beliefs on the subject are,"
I just don't get you.' I respect the freedom of everyone to believe what they choose. But Flight Safety regulations are not a matter of faith.
If you consider it a 'personal assessment of your character' that I point out the stupidity of your argument as to the 'lack of harassment' by airline staff being an indication of awareness of you making your own rules and -- as you rationalize -- an implicit permission to do so, I can't think of a better word.
Please present me with an explanation. Until you do, I stand for my opinion that your argument is stupid. While you are at it, you might also enlighten me as to how does your posting of your phone number make your argument any less stupid.
Substantiate the relevance of the facts you are citing to case you are trying to make. Clouding the issues with irrelevant facts and mantras about what a wonderful person you think you are doesn't count.
Do you actually believe that each one of the millions of airline passengers should make their own assessment as to which safety rules they should or should not adhere to. Do you actually think that for as long as the flight attendants are not stepping up to individually address every one of these passengers and specifically mention which rules they should observe the rules don't apply to any one of them. Or do you think the rules are for the stupid masses , while the self-proclaimed internet forum elite should be free to exercise their 'intellectual supremacy' in the tangible world as well.
Lets remeber this a simple discussion and does not need the personal snipes.
Everyone is permitted to have an opinion. The fact other disagree is there free will, but there is no need to get personal.
mbrett
N95 8Gb (Product Code: 0558787 (UK)) FW 31.0.018
Lets not make this a place where comments become too personal. I do understand the strong opinions on this discussion, but I wish this type of discussion is not continued here. Lets discuss the applications and even the ways in which you use them yourselves. But try not to go into personal critique.
Thanks llkka. This thread did seem to be getting a little out of control.
Thanks for the new sticky aswell.
Keep up the good work.
mbrett
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