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	<title>Comments on: Nokia Beta Labs website renewal: recap of your feedback</title>
	<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gilbertmana</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-15948</link>
		<dc:creator>gilbertmana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Abdulkarim</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-2391</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdulkarim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-2391</guid>
		<description>If I have some improvement suggestion for nokia  to whom I have to discuss it wih?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I have some improvement suggestion for nokia  to whom I have to discuss it wih?</p>
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		<title>By: horia stanescu</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>horia stanescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-653</guid>
		<description>@raphinou
This is a kind of a "crowdsourcing" blog, so no connection with E90 feedback:-(
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@raphinou<br />
This is a kind of a &#8220;crowdsourcing&#8221; blog, so no connection with E90 feedback:-(</p>
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		<title>By: raphinou</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-652</link>
		<dc:creator>raphinou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-652</guid>
		<description>a suggestion on the working of Nokia: be more transparent and communicative with users.

I'm interested in the E90, but there seems to be some problems with it. The production is even said to be stopped, but there's no confirmation and no communication at all from nokia, apart from &lt;a href="http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&#038;message.id=9110#M9110" rel="nofollow"&gt;deleting &lt;/a&gt; some lengthy threads on &lt;a href="http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board?board.id=communicators" rel="nofollow"&gt;the forum&lt;/a&gt;.

If there's no communication on a current situation (production problems) I suppose there won't be any communication about software updates. This is confirmed by &lt;a href="http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&#038;message.id=9130" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; in which an update for the E65 is announced, but the poster hasn't event a slight idea of what it will bring!

If I get a E90, I'd be interested to develop for it. But coming from Free and Open Source software, I'm not sure I'll get used to this secret kept around Nokia development. I don't request to go open source, but take a look at QNX: they're going &lt;a&gt;more transparent&lt;/a&gt;!

It's funny how companies in communication products have the most difficulties to communicate with their customers...



Raph
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a suggestion on the working of Nokia: be more transparent and communicative with users.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in the E90, but there seems to be some problems with it. The production is even said to be stopped, but there&#8217;s no confirmation and no communication at all from nokia, apart from <a href="http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&#038;message.id=9110#M9110" rel="nofollow">deleting </a> some lengthy threads on <a href="http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board?board.id=communicators" rel="nofollow">the forum</a>.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s no communication on a current situation (production problems) I suppose there won&#8217;t be any communication about software updates. This is confirmed by <a href="http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/message?board.id=communicators&#038;message.id=9130" rel="nofollow">this post</a> in which an update for the E65 is announced, but the poster hasn&#8217;t event a slight idea of what it will bring!</p>
<p>If I get a E90, I&#8217;d be interested to develop for it. But coming from Free and Open Source software, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll get used to this secret kept around Nokia development. I don&#8217;t request to go open source, but take a look at QNX: they&#8217;re going <a>more transparent</a>!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how companies in communication products have the most difficulties to communicate with their customers&#8230;</p>
<p>Raph</p>
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		<title>By: Tommi Vilkamo</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommi Vilkamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-651</guid>
		<description>&gt;  "Lead. Create. Inspire" slogan

Yup, stong words. But I don't understand the pupose of Nokia Beta Labs from that.

Here's what I'm trying to achieve:
&lt;a href="http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/01/mantras_versus_.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/01/mantras_versus_.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>  &#8220;Lead. Create. Inspire&#8221; slogan</p>
<p>Yup, stong words. But I don&#8217;t understand the pupose of Nokia Beta Labs from that.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to achieve:<br />
<a href="http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/01/mantras_versus_.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/01/mantras_versus_.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: horia stanescu</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>horia stanescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-650</guid>
		<description>What about a possible: "Lead. Create. Inspire" slogan? There are only strong/active words here. Just my 2 cents.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about a possible: &#8220;Lead. Create. Inspire&#8221; slogan? There are only strong/active words here. Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Groeber</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Groeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-649</guid>
		<description>You write:

&lt;blockquote&gt;S60 platform is constantly improving, and Nokia R&#038;D teams - often targeting to future devices - tend to push the limits and use the latest platform functionality. Therefore, in Nokia Beta Labs:
- compatibility tables are sometimes complicated
- even the R&#038;D team might not be 100% sure about the compatibility
- we may need to release separate versions for certain devices&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hopefully this experience also gets fed back to the S60 core R&#038;D team, because it may be the closest to "dogfooding" Nokia's own platform - this exactly mirrors the experience of developers out there, so this would also be a great way for collecting feedback on the developer experience.

As an example, if Beta Labs R&#038;D can't be sure about compatibility of certain features, doesn't that say something about the level of documentation?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write:</p>
<blockquote><p>S60 platform is constantly improving, and Nokia R&#038;D teams - often targeting to future devices - tend to push the limits and use the latest platform functionality. Therefore, in Nokia Beta Labs:<br />
- compatibility tables are sometimes complicated<br />
- even the R&#038;D team might not be 100% sure about the compatibility<br />
- we may need to release separate versions for certain devices</p></blockquote>
<p>Hopefully this experience also gets fed back to the S60 core R&#038;D team, because it may be the closest to &#8220;dogfooding&#8221; Nokia&#8217;s own platform - this exactly mirrors the experience of developers out there, so this would also be a great way for collecting feedback on the developer experience.</p>
<p>As an example, if Beta Labs R&#038;D can&#8217;t be sure about compatibility of certain features, doesn&#8217;t that say something about the level of documentation?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-648</guid>
		<description>I can live with links a la www.nokia.com/A12345 as long as they do not change, but I think www.nokia.com/betalabs/appname would be even better (Imagine telling your friend over the phone about the site - which URL is more memorable?).
If your CMS won't do this out of the box, have a look at Apache's mod_rewrite (see &lt;a href="http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html&lt;/a&gt; ) or equivalents - they may help.

As regards, apps that change name - that's no excuse to remove the old URL! By all means add a new URL, but keep the old one and make it redirect to the new page (see &lt;a href="http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback&lt;/a&gt; ).

Sorry for getting bogged down in technical details btw - it's just the web-design geek in me coming out! ;-D

As for the Gravatars - I agree it's gimmicky, but it's trivial to add and can be fun.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can live with links a la <a href="http://www.nokia.com/A12345" rel="nofollow">www.nokia.com/A12345</a> as long as they do not change, but I think <a href="http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/appname" rel="nofollow">www.nokia.com/betalabs/appname</a> would be even better (Imagine telling your friend over the phone about the site - which URL is more memorable?).<br />
If your CMS won&#8217;t do this out of the box, have a look at Apache&#8217;s mod_rewrite (see <a href="http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html" rel="nofollow">http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html</a> ) or equivalents - they may help.</p>
<p>As regards, apps that change name - that&#8217;s no excuse to remove the old URL! By all means add a new URL, but keep the old one and make it redirect to the new page (see <a href="http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback</a> ).</p>
<p>Sorry for getting bogged down in technical details btw - it&#8217;s just the web-design geek in me coming out! ;-D</p>
<p>As for the Gravatars - I agree it&#8217;s gimmicky, but it&#8217;s trivial to add and can be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Tanglao</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland Tanglao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-647</guid>
		<description>just to make it explicitly clear, all content should be user taggable and their should be RSS feeds for each tags and those tags should be s60.com/tags/tagblah NOT technorati tags

and of course don't write this from scratch please. just use an off the shelf open source system like Wordpress or Drupal or Joomla or whatever

Thanks for taking the time to take feedback and respond to it!

...Roland
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to make it explicitly clear, all content should be user taggable and their should be RSS feeds for each tags and those tags should be s60.com/tags/tagblah NOT technorati tags</p>
<p>and of course don&#8217;t write this from scratch please. just use an off the shelf open source system like Wordpress or Drupal or Joomla or whatever</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to take feedback and respond to it!</p>
<p>&#8230;Roland</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
		<link>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2007/09/25/nokia-beta-labs-website-renewal-recap-of-your-feedback/#comment-646</guid>
		<description>I like the nokia.com/A15345342 links, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CHANGE!

And gravatars seem useless
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the nokia.com/A15345342 links, AS LONG AS THEY DON&#8217;T CHANGE!</p>
<p>And gravatars seem useless</p>
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