So why do we still see development for NSU?
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Maybe because some older devices just wont support the ovi suite and thus need the pc suite instead.
Remember the s60 v3.2 and v3.1 devices?
Not everybody will likely update his phone once or twice a year and why should thy, when they are satisfied?
Image some poor countries, where the usual price of such a device is more than a years income..
So I guess as long an there are s40 and s60v32/v31 devices, there will be a pc suite :-/
In my opinion, Nokia should add support for older devices too.. It's just stupid not to add them.
I don't like the way Nokia just "forgets" older devices. Sometimes just year after the device comes to markets.
I have to make the same advice that alsladka, Why is Nokia still wasting resources making many apps which can be merged ?
For example we have Ovi Suite and Nokia Software Updater. If all devices aren't compatible with Ovi Suite, the best approach should be to add compatibility into Ovi Suite instead of update NSU.
If you can't make one app, at least find a way to factorize your sourcecode thus an update to Ovi Suite may update NSU as well. (NSU will become a light featured Ovi Suite).
This example can be made for a lot of applications on Betalabs and that why I fear that Nokia never be competitive against Android or iOS 'cause they make a lot of useless application :
- Nokia Messaging for IM and Ovi Contact have the same purpose, so you must stop one of them.
- Symbian email Client and Nokia Messaging, since Symbian is open source, why don't you help the Foundation to improve the default mail software instead of making your one ? Nokia doesn't understand that an Open Source system must be improved by other companies ?
- Nokia Image Exchange, Ovi Share and the Symbian photo gallery, again why do you waste time to make there apps when one with all features should be better ?
- Nokia Messaging for Social Network and the Facebook for Nokia, again we have a useless app because the first one manage Facebook and Twitter. Unfortunately, the choice of using Web Runtime seems to be the bad choice. Nokia owns Trolltech and Qt for making application in Symbian and Meego, why do you continue to use WRT which will be always slower than compiled application made in C++ ?
- Forum.nokia.com and betalabs.nokia.com can be merged into one complete website for developpers and geeks.
In the mainwhile, Nokia should know when they must do a new application for this (like the iphone philosophy) or when they must update the existing firmware to add new innovative feature to devices.
For example, Conversations (app to have threaded messages) will become a default feature for future OS (Symbian^3, Meego,...), so the job of Betalabs should be to improve Symbian^1 to add backward compatibility for this cool feature.
Why don't you work to make a light version of Symbian^3 for existing touch phone instead of making useless applications ? Apple releases a light iOS4 for iPhone 3 which was released two years ago and Nokia can't do the same for high end phones such as Nokia N97 ?
If Nokia must stay the first smartphone seller, it must understand that smartphone user wait for added values. Today, updating firmware is a must have for all NSeries (and maybe for all midrange phones) because users can't buy every six month a new phone which is worth 600€.
To the last, Betalabs should work a lot more to fix problem in Ovi ecosystem and to make it fully competitive against Yahoo! apps or Google apps. Missing features are :
- Lack of Single Sign On,
- Lack integration with desktops applications such as Outlook on Windows and iCal on Mac Os,
- Lack of compatibility with all browser (ovi maps and music doesn't work on Chrome).
- Lack of complete API to promote Ovi ecosystem, an API must be done to permits developer to add new innovative feature on it. It's sad that third developers must use Google API (your competitor !) on Nokia Phones to add maps on their applications !!!
If you ask me they ought to keep all the various applications as stand alone entities. For years we have had Nokia PC suite, simple to use never fails, always does exactly what you want it to, and in double quick time, stand alone apps all working well with a single user interface. Then,for reasons that only Nokia know about they launch Ovi Suite, the single most horrendus piece of software that has ever been released. Ive used Nokia phones and the related pc suites for many years now and the common factor throughout those years is you always know where you are with a nokia, its logical yet simple to use and always works well. Ovi suite should have been shelved a long time ago. They have re-written a program that didnt need re writing and turned it in to the slowest, most system hogging confusing and unfriendlest thing ive ever used. Its over 3 times slower than the PC suite, especially when you first connect a phone, and the whole program is obsessed with syncing everything with everything else thus messing up phone books, photos anything it syncs. The entire media contents of your phone are on full display to the world on the main page of the suite whether you like it or not, and 95% of people simply want to plug their phone in BACKUP their photos and music for safekeeping, yet ovi suite wants to keep syncing all of everything both ways everytime. Before you know it, ovi suite has synced every photo from your my pictures folder and put it BACK ON your phone, who the hell wants that to happen, sever friends phone books have been messed up totally by this nightmare software. Even down to the user options and choices you are allowed to make are so vague and they never do what you want them to do. Nokia Map loader, fantastic simple peice of kit always worked well, thats been scrapped and that now part of ovi suite and yes thats been ruined as well. It now takes 35 minutes to read the data on your phone before it starts to do anything. Nokia, you can make the best software, take the updater thats in betalabs at the moment its brilliant, simple, fast and updates the lot without a single hiccup, please can you stop pushing us in to using this ovi suite and make PC suite pride of place again, everything about it is a thousand times better and more efficient than that OVI nightmare that seems to be advertised on almost every page of your website these days.
I fully agree to above comment.
I can put PC suite silently at the bottom interacting only when i need it. For example if i am connected to ovi suite and need to see only the contact details of someone...when i maximise the application .here i am seeing each and every message too....which i dont want others to see..but with no choice..
Another thing..Nokia itself admits ovi suite doesn't connect to internet behind the proxy...wat the f*......a simple one liner software has the support for proxy...and nokia has released it...
There are different groups in nokia which don't interact and just go their own way...dats the reason wy there are different softwares..walking completely in a different path...
I didn't like Ovi Suite at first but I understood the idea behind the project. I love PC Suite and I keep installed on my PC just in case some functionality is not implemented nor is working properly on Ovi Suite (transition phase). Ovi Suite is not perfect but the decision had been made. If we need to keep PC Suite for legacy phones, that's OK, since it would not have a good business case. If we will expend resource to keep developing new features on PC Suite, why not include the legacy support on Ovi Suite?
Other option is to come back on the decision made about Ovi Suite and cancel the project and focus on PC Suite and standalone SW parts concept. What is a threat is forking the concept.
P.S.: I liked the application and I'm sure that a lot of people will like as well. The point is, it should be included in Ovi Suite.
Firstly i want to apologise if i sounded a bit harsh in my last post, no offnece meant Mr Nokia lol
I can totally understand Nokia and the whole OVI idea, ovi.com on the net offering its maps, email, app store etc etc really is an excellent service, far superior to any other mobile phone manufacturer out there, including Sony Ericsson. I can also understand that large corporations want to have a standard brand image across all their products, Take Ford Motors UK. they have their standard "Friendly Face" design on the front of all their cars across the range, if Nokia want to have the OVI brand as their standard, could they not just give the standard PC suite a facelift, change the colours and wording to OVI but just leave the basic programming the same....just a thought.
Sad my previous post seems to be lost. I only advice you to combine your effort on one app only for many features :
- Ovi suite only instead of having this suite, NSU and Ovi Music for our medias (such as iTunes for Apple)
- Ovi Contacts for chat (forget nokia for IM)
- etc
and because Nokia want to put Ovi as a leading brand (like iSoftwares for Apple), our new apps shouldn't have Nokia on their name but only Ovi !
Ovi maps is already the best mapping service and i would love to have the other service as the same level :)
I will not have Ovi Suite on my computer. I wish I still had a copy of Nokia Music from about 15 months ago when it was still a black and white looking application. Ovi ran with endless errors and restarts when I did have it.
The stand-alone application is a good thing. It is small, works well usually, and is fast. I say usually because NSU bricked my 5800 XM which Nokia replaced and NSU left me with a white screen on my N900 which I fixed with the command line flasher application.
Ovi Suites is huge, barely works at all, what it does do it does slowly and usually unbidden by the operator -me.
If bringing a more functional, faster program to the market is a waste of Nokia's time then I suggest they waste away!. This is good customer support.
I thought i would give ovi suite one last go starting from scratch last night. Ingredients, one brand new laptop with Windows 7, fully updated. One N97, with the latest firmware fully updated. My phone's sms inbox contained 6 messages from various people. I installed the latest Ovi suite from the Nokia.co.uk website, then plugged the phone in. After about 10 minutes it had finally finished "Setting Up" the N97. I imported the messages from the phone then went to the sms section of OVI suite and what did I see?? Ovi suite was displaying the messages but showing they were from the wrong people. Message one in the inbox was from my girlfriend, yet ovi suite was showing the message was from someone completely different from my phone book. A bit short tempered i uninstalled OVI and installed Nokia PC suite, bang bang bang it worked perfectly first time, no mistakes no errors nothing wrong at all. Ovi suite is only useful for one thing, and thats transcoding videos to play on the phone for everything else its a horrible mess. Nokia if you are reading this please ditch ovi suite now.
I agree with briscoe76 - I did not have such a bad experience with the ovi suite, but I find the dumbed-down interface absolutely horrible. I do not want to let OVI take control of all the mp3s and images on my pc, but I need from time to time to move a couple of files from pc to phone and viceversa. And ovi sucks at that... It also sucks (for now) at showing me when updates are available for installed app, not just firmware, as well as showing me which maps and voices are currently installed on the phone
Funny that I started to think a certain gang is bribed by Nokia competitors so they won't add mac support to this application.
It requires qt (they paid millions) and couple of universal kernel extensions to ship this to macs saving them from running (IF they do) windows.
Don't even mention virtual machines, nobody gets their phone free unlike nokia beta labs lazy guys, you can't rely on a USB support hack to flash firmware. Windows (except enterprise) is not designed to run virtual.
