are S60 5th Edition devices not supported anymore or is just a matter of time??
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Ovi Maps for mobile v3.07 for 5800 xm? :(
Because it's an old OS that cannot support everything that the new symbian os can
therfore not every app or improvement will be backwards compatable
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i can't update nokia 2730,
But Nokia is still selling brand new phones for that old OS e.g. C5-03 or C6-01. New phones without Updates. Brilliant! With such kind of support, maybe in 5 years Nokia minght be the smallest phone producer on earth.
By the way, Symbian^3 also is old. Windows Phone is the future. ;-)
6-01 is Symbian^3 and will get the anna update along with the others
Symbian isn't dead yet,
But S60 is at teh end of it's useful life, and will be phased out
Apps for the newer devices will increasingly continue to be released which cannot be back ported to S60,
it's unreasonable to expect nokia not to exploit the full potential of the new os and devices just to keep customers on the old os happy
It may well be that maps 3.07 gets relaeased for S60 later, tho the release for S3 is proving troublesome at the moment
But the continual bitching from the S60 community every time an app gets relesed on here that is not available for there phones is getting a little tiresome
@Nokia, Two choices. Either create a version for S60v5 or give us a version for iOS and Android because that's what we're going to buy if you try to force obsolescence on us.
Fellow S60v5 owners, please show your support.
@SynthFG
IF you had posted this a year after the last S60 phone was sold by Nokia THEN your comments would be valid.
But off course Nokia would be happy, if we bought a new phone at least once a year, but I would say that it is not a good way to keep us from buying Android next.
Best Regards
Eske Rahn
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make a version to s60 v5, I brought my nokia 5800 a year ago, and right now I have no support.It is amazing.I'll never buy a nokia, and do not recommend it to anyone
guys please understand that your s60v5 isn't enough anymore,your hardware cannot support new apps because it doesn't have enough ram or MHz, if you want new apps like this the only thing that you will get is a crash on your nokia devices,an example is the famous gravity is way faster in s^3 but with the new updates is slow in a lot on s60v5 devices,so please stop making so much noise of it, even iphone 3g doesn't have support anymore the same happens with android 1.5-2.1 decices
Very bad behaviour of Nokia towards S60 5th edition users. It is not that old!!! We have even stopped getting firmware updates and now even Beta Labs is removing their support..... How rude!!! Now inspired by this, even developers on Ovi Store will stop developing apps for S60v5...
Seems my 5800 has become a brick now!!!
Will prefer Android next time....
@jamg14, @SynthFG
I spent $250 for my 5800 a year ago. This was sold as a feature phone with stand-alone GPS maps and I absolutely love it but I am very disappointed that a phone that was still sold at your online store as recently as Dec-2010 is being called obsolete. You expect me to give you $250 every year... noooo
No love for Nokia anymore... I am jumping ship to Android!!! oh and then you will see me stop BITCHING :)
S60V5 phones have more that enought RAM and CPU to run those maps, the only reason not support S60V5 is trying to make users buy new phones, Microsoft worked like that with intel, but we all know how Vista was a failure, in the other hand, Nokia still sells lot's of S60V5 phones, even had some new ones, so not supporting them will make Nokia lose lot of market share. I just can't understand how people that is payed thousands each month don't know what most of people want, woul be that hard to make Nokia 5***, etc have a Symbian OS like the C6-00? Most of the money would be earn in the OVI store, like Apple earns in the iPhone App store, profit for doing almost nothing!! Talking about efficiency!! Wake UP Nokia! And Microsoft should stop dreaming also...!
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hi nokia team first thanxxx for your great work and plzzz make a version for n97 mini or s60v5 plzzz because this is the most important software of nokia =) and thanxx bye .
@carlos.v.gonzalez
Well but it might lack other (logical) resources than CPU and RAM...
My N97mini allow for a mere six widgets, and build in is only the options for eight shortcuts (Nokia Bot can give you four more). So with the new idea of moving the icons from the internal menu to the general menu, this is not usable on N97mini. Yes I know a lot of workarounds could be done for this specific thing, but the point is that there ARE logical possibilities on s^3 that does not go with s60.
If they make changes that depends on multi touch, s60 is also out...
But do not misunderstand. I find it outright dump not to support S60v5, without severe reasons for doing so (and I don't see it in any of the other changes from 3.06 to 3.07). Nokia OUGHT to admit to them self that their ONLY trump card left against Android is the free mapping, so it is pretty important to make this as usable and as up to date as possible on as many of their phones as they can.
Best Regards
Eske Rahn
N97mini 0592616, 12.0.110, Swype 1.00(16481) with Danish dictionary. 1.00(18885), GigFinder 2.00(1103)
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why can't this version support s60v5?
@SynthFG
Ok, its the C6-00 that is running on S60. But this is also not that old.
Of course, the S60v5 is not the newest OS from Nokia, but last Days the E72 was getting a new firmware update. This is running S60v3 much older than S60v5. And the worst phone Nokia ever made, my N97 was getting out of support/updates after only one year. That is not good support when buying a 600 Euro smartphone.
Btw. Nokia is still pushing new Qt for writing software once for S60v5, Symbian^3 and Meamo/Meego. So I still can run new Qt-Software from third party developers but not Maps 3.07.
Isn't there any developer reading this forum?!? So what's it for?
A developer could tell us if S60 5th version hasn't been released YET or will NEVER be released....
come on don't be shy :)
@EskeRahn, the only thing lacking is the 'Will' to make it available for S60v5. Last time when Nokia did the same thing with 3.04, it left the likes of N95 and N82 in the lurch. But they provided Maps ver 3.04 for E71 which was still S60v3FP1 as the others mentioned above but was still pretty new in the market.
I extracted the .sis file for Ovi Maps 3.04 meant for E71 and copied the files onto my N82. Guess what, it worked flawlessly. I'm sure Nokia has smartened up since then and created more hooks to ensure new software doesn't run on old hardware but what I don't understand is, what is the need of forcing users to upgrade when there's a pretty good chance they'll buy a non-Nokia smartphone?
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Not support for 5230/5800/X6/N97/C6/C5-03
Why???
S60V5 devices is the most popular smart phone for Nokia in the world.
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No support for the 5800
It is about time that costumer buy no more expensive phones like N97 and other.
If nobody wood try betaVersions, developer have more hard time to make new software run, or they never make a new software and got no more jobs.
Buy cheap phones, need no more support. :D
I don't believe. My 5800 is bought just 5 month ago and nokia will give no further support for the MAIN App. THIS app kept nokia alive. Goodby nokia. Sleep well. Think this is my last one.
Hi all, The new version is not released for 5.0 devices. The application is just not compatible with the less powerful devices anymore. You still have Maps, but new updates are not planned for the moment. We know it is sad, but we have limited resources and we just can't do everything.
Well,Android will not give you the new feature like flash or vitor Google maps to yor basic hardware phone like HTC Dream or legend……the low hardware will not finish the job well.
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just want to know if ovi maps 3.07 will be available for my device N97 mini, iam waiting for latest relieses from nikia betalabs with thanks.
Last summer, I went to a phone shop to buy an iPhone and left with a 5800. The agent had convinced me that for bicycle navigation, Nokia's pedestrian navigator was way better than any other Smartphone, and probably even specialist device. A good half year later, I still believe I made the right decision, especially now that Nokia has released the DC-14 bicycle charger.
The software does have some serious drawbacks, though. Usability and Stability leave a lot to desire, and integration with other apps seems to be non-existent (linking to the address book app would be cool, or providing apis for third-party apps can work with Ovi Maps), Not a real problem, you'd think, since Nokia had committed to continue improving the software.
Many of the new "features" introduced in 3.06 and 3.07 seem like desperate measures to suggest progress when there isn't any. What is the logic behind moving crippled versions of standalone-apps into a Navigation Software, other than turning a perfectly good navigation app into a performance-hogging monster? Ovi Maps is an app, not an operating system!
I'll happily skip the gimmicks that 3.07 introduces, but do sincerely hope that Nokia will get round to improve the basic functionality and the usability of Ovi Maps on the 5800. The phones may have been around for a while, but they are still being sold. Some improvements to the software would seem a small price to pay to keep those users, and prevent them from moving to other platforms while Nokia is developing the next-gen (Windows) phones.
PS: Is there any truth in rumours that Apple has earmarked $1 bn for developing an iOS navigation system? And is Google indeed working on bicycle navigation?
Hi Mohammad, The new version of Maps is not compatible with the older 5.0 devices. We know it is sad, but we have limited resources and we can't do everything. The new version needs a little more power than the N97 mini can offer.
Could you make new map data updates available for old devices?
You know, they shouldn't increase cpu requirements an would certainly be a nice touch to old device users.
About processing power, it's not your fault, but yould you pass the folloing to hardware design:
"How about Nokia starts selling out whooping 2.53$ more per handset and starts selling handsets equipped with A8/A9 processors, instead of 9 years old ARM11 cores."
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just want to know if ovi maps 3.07 will be available for my device N97 mini, iam waiting for latest relieses from nikia betalabs with thanks.
re: p-j-d:
Talking about 5800 is a misnomer. C6, C5-3, and many, many other Nokia phones currently sold as their top-notch products bear exactly the insides (CPU, ram, LCD). It's not just 3 years old 5800, it's 3/4 of *current* Nokia lineup that is being affected.
that offline navigtion was the only point that I find good at Maps to the others, they only got online navigation, good that I have phone and internet flat.
I keep my N97 for working, that is then good so without Suppot, an for the rest off the day I wait for the iPhone 5 and buy it then.
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When I bought 5800XM for 660$ -
I wanted to have a good phone, which will last several years and I'll be happy with it.
Now, after being a fan of Nokia (Always used Nokia phones and loving OVI Maps and other Symbian apps), I will not buy Nokia products, if they trash their older clients.
You could stop supporting older editions, if they ARE OLD.
Very many customers are still using S60v5 on their older and newer phones.At least HALF of your customers are using S60v5 or older and S60v5 is still sold in shops.
That is not how you treat a customer, Nokia...
I'm not saying do it NOW, but maybe support S60v5 after some months (reasonable).
There are growing competition on the market, so try not to leave your older customers disappointed, so they will buy new Nokia phone again after some time...
OH and Nokia please stop underclocking phone CPUs, when not in idle state. OR
[Quote from pelias]
"How about Nokia starts selling out "whooping" 2.53$ more per handset and starts selling handsets equipped with A8/A9 processors, instead of 9 years old ARM11 cores."
SUGGESTION: The fact that S60 5th Edition is not supported should be on the main page of Ovi Maps 3.07, not hidden in the download page.
Users of a well-loved app do not expect to be told it is end of line for them in a round-about way.
Been using a 5800 for just over a year.
Ovi Maps is one of my favourite apps. It was what made me pick this phone.
Was really excited to see 3.07 on Labs' homepage, only to be disappointed when I found out after I signed in there are no plans for a version for my phone.
Been pondering what my next phone will be, Nokia or something else.
Unfortunately, been getting a lot of persuasion from Nokia itself that people should not stay with them. One wonders if the decision makers are taking into consideration the fallout from alienating loyal customers.
What does the future hold? Be someone else's phone manufacturing arm?
You may not be planning on doing that, but how you are treating your customers will likely lead you down that path.
Very sorry to observe one's favourite brand's fall from grace. Sigh...
LOL. Predictive search and one tab added and S60 devices has no power to do this. C'mon ;-)
After 11 years of using Nokia phones (only) just wonder to buy N8 or some new Android device at same price. Thx for help me with decision. The same situation will be with Symbian 3 phones next year - no support anymore.
Goodbye Nokia
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How about s60v5 version?????
There are more of these devices out there than N8s and alike!!!
Based on info gathered around the forums, it looks like the majority of the forum participants crowned "Contributors of the Month" in recent months are *not* Symbian^3 users.
This includes one who was crowned for being a major contributor to the Ovi Maps v3.06 forum.
** Mar 2011: eskerahn [N97mini 0592616, 12.0.110]
http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2011/04/11/nokia-beta-labs-contributor-of...
** Jan/Feb 2011: steceso [Unknown device], therealankit [X6-00 (31.0.004), N70-1 (50.0737.3.0.1)]
http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2011/03/01/contributors-of-the-month-stec...
** Dec 2010: thesplitter [Unknown device]
http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2011/01/13/nokia-beta-labs-contributor-of...
** Nov 2010: fonero - E66
http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2010/12/15/nokia-beta-labs-contributor-of...
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i think it is a great update we also want to see this update on n97+n97mini devices!!
Check this topic http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/ovi-maps-for-mobile-v3-07/suggestion/2805... and you will undestand why there is no more S60 support ;-) And making version for 3(?) S60 phones with widget support...
Anyway, every newer version has less features then older (search options for example), so maybe we are lucky :-D
Be right torsten.wuensch! If intention is had to innovate the operational base abandoning completely that preceding, would need to finish first the sales of the instruments with the operating system not supported! If I don't mistake the international rules of market do they impose to the builders to furnish spare parts and technical support for a certain time period after the sale.... This means that I have been wrong to my N97mini buy last year?
i use my x6 for navigation a lot if you are saying x6 which was only one of the top phones sold less than 2 years ago then I may have an issue if i cant get up to date maps to help me get around next phone may end up being an android or an interface with sat nav and offline maps and it may mean going away from nokia and with virtually using nokia handsets for the last 4 or 5 years will be extremely annoying.
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Hi,
I see that the 3.07 beta version is just for Symbian^3. I hope the official version also will be compatible with the s60v5 devices like the N97 mini.
Jostein
@tracy_rolling
Out of curiosity, what features of 3.07 make it unsuitable for S60 5e such as 5800XM? Is it CPU speed? Storage required? A port to Qt? Additional dependencies?
Seems like there should be a Maps "lite" version that should be maintained for S60 5e, which could keep up with the core changes in Maps, but leave out the "fluff" which is functionality beyond Maps/Search/Drive/Walk. If the core could be made available to S605e that would be good enough for many, I suspect.
@hgohel
The answer is that NOTHING makes 3.07 unsuitable for S60 except the will to do it.
And the stupid widgets menu.. so, bring widgets to 5800 and problems will be solved...
a navigation software doesn't require any CPU or memory for standard usage, except when calculating routes.
I don't need 3.07 on my N97 mini. The latest 3.06 from Ovi Store runs very fast and stable. I don't miss any features. And I'm glad, that all features are bundled under 1 menu, not in Widgets.
It is already the best navigation software for Nokia Phones. And its free.
@ Franky_79
DrFix82 is right; then it doesn't concern only Maps; it is the politics of the Nokia that is wrong, it is not to produce as amended and to sell telephones with a determined operating system and then, suddenly, to make the support to miss because he passes to a new base... from the commercial point of view it is very incorrect, it is true that so making Nokia assures that the new instruments always have commerce but it are also true that in this way it tangles who purchases a jail cell and after one year as soon as it finds again him with an obsolete instrument. If the consumers are made cunning, and Nokia doesn't change politics, risk to find themeselves to fail!
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Only available for symbian 3. Have Nokia forgotten about S60 handsets
Version 5.0 is gone in this release, Symbian 3 will be in next as WP7 is comin. I'm so glad that I've saved 7 of my frnds frm buying Nokia just by showin them betalabs, n I've over 1K frnds, online n offline combined :)
@DrFix82 & others
If I remember correctly, Ovi Maps requires a good amount storage. Unless new firmware versions are released which include a newer version of Ovi Maps, more storage is used up in the C: drive by applications & dependencies. Remember if you uninstall a new version of Maps, it's supposed to rollback to the original version from your firmware, which must be stored somewhere, right?
I wonder if that is one of the things holding S60 5e versions of Maps 3.07 back, i.e. probably since no new firmware upgrades are planned for 5800 XM (as an example), it becomes more and more difficult for Nokia to squeeze in apps? This is a guess and not based on strong facts. Perhaps Nokia employees can clear up the subject.
@hgohel
what about allowing to install ovi maps on SD card?
come on, it's clear that's a political decision, there's no insurmountable hardware limitation on S60 devices.
Developers could also choose to disable some "expensive" features on S60 or letting the user the choice to enable or disable them...
as you can se a solution could be found easily.
Btw, almost all ovi maps data is installed on SD card if available, only installation data is there on phone memory, so memory is not a concern.
Also, just thinking Nokia N8 has 680MHz ARM11 processor with 256MB RAM and Nokia 5800/5230 has 434MHz ARM11 processor with 128MB RAM. If one thinks it's a issue then here is a thing, using ovi will not usually takes more than 40MB of RAM on my 5230, ever. I might have given extra 10MB for 3.07. But I don't understand why no support.
Well how good ovi or some apps maybe, I can never forced to buy Nokia again, especially when other manufacturer provides support even after their product is out of market for some time, unlike Nokia who removes the support for current gen phones.
p.s. - 680 MHz and 256MB RAM is by no means fast or next gen. When world's moving to 1.2 GHz dual core processors with atleast 1 GB RAM, you through us this N8 shit, WOW!!
It's really funny (or I should write silly?) and sad at the same moment when Nokia says that s60v5 devices are not good enough for ovi maps 3.07. From what they wrote there is not a single new feature that makes s60v5 phones not powerful enough.
And one more VERY IMPORTANT question: does it mean also that there will be no new versions of maps (not he application!) available for s60v5 devices???
^ Ithink so. Upgrade your phone to get new maps maybe, if you're still loyal to Nokia, but remember this process will be repeated every six months or so.
Don't like Nokia anymore, but bounded till handset lasts.
Way must be the Maps installed on C:/' on E:/ is a lot off Space, you can install alot programms on E:/, and it is faster to read and write, on the SD-Card it is slower,
And you have more error messages with no Space on C:/
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Press Above Thumbs Up if my Post is Useful..................................... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
3310, 3315, 6600, 3230, N70-1, N95, N95 8GB, Right Now N97 and N8.. (E7 Next)
UVM, this version is for N8 and N8 has loads of space on C: So practically your problem is not matching here. but yes N97 has this problem but this version will never available for N97. read what Tracy saying above
I now, I only tray to open a door for the 1 year old phones.
Say never never, is that correct, Sy
mbian is now opensource, maybe one free programmer finds a way with out Nokia.
Maybe one day there is a version in the Web, the same is it with the CFW Firmware, it runs better then the Orginal Firmware.
if you buy every half year a new phone, just to be up to date, it is your prob, I have to work for my money, and not for Nokia.
Then same one close this Discussion and all 60 post are for the a.......
If your post was helpfull, just dream about it
What is after 2014, Nokia phones have WP7 ???
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ohh Sorry didn't see that you are using CFW. then you must be having enough space on N97 C:
I hope you are able to install 3.6 final on it (?).
Dude,
If u've noticed, ovi maps 3.07 is just 10MB n we know old app is overwritten. Entire map data is kept on memory card, so where is the problem? I mean even after 3.06 installed, I've 38MB space left on phone memory.
-- Don't like Nokia anymore, but bounded till handset lasts.
@ nitinule
I have the 3.06 11wk10 b01 s60 5 0 196540 on it
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Nokia is done now, thats why they went to Microsoft. I use 5800 and after this phone I m going to Android, unless Nokia gets Android.
OVI maps navigation is the worst anyways, it takes you through strange routes. OVI team is also not listening to their beta testers, It was discussed many times show the Satellite bar, Mute instructions while talking and so on. But who cares, all of you beta testers are wasting your time here. I wasted my time here for 2 years and now I m done, Nokia is done too.
Nokia 5800 Navigation Edition,
Tomtom Go720,
Ohio, USA.
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Please add N97 to installist!
It is not O.K. that the N97 is not supported!
N97 are Nokias best and many many use it!!!
Best Regards zehner
I just got a Nokia for OVI Maps navigation system just a year ago, no more Nokia and I will never recommend a Nokia for my online and offline friends
"3.07 uses the same map data as 3.06
all that's changed is the organisation of the front end"
You are right, at the moment. But, as you know, there already was a change of map data from verion 3.04 to 3.06. Can You guarantee, that Nokia does not change map format for future versions?
If 3.06 is at the end of development, what is about bugfixes for this version in future?
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"symbian S60 5 no more supported"(3.07)
Does it means that new country maps are no longer available by maps in OVI store?,
If the answer is "yes" nobody will be interested in free navigation by a new S60 5 phone because"his old maps" after some time.
Is there somebody who can tell me the answer because I will buy a second 5230 (good experience with the first one)and navigation is very important for me.(reason why I bought a Nokia)
(sorry for bad english)
The map formats guaranteed to change in future versions
It's unrealistic to expect nokia not to take advantage of new technology just because the old stuff cannot run it
However they are obliged to support the S60 devices for a reasonable period of time after they stop selling them (2-3 years)
and at the moment 3.07 which you really don't want in it's current form on an s60 single home screen uses the same maps and will get the same map updates as 3.06
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I do feel that the X6 should still be supported and I believe isn't, this isn't good for Nokia at all.
OK,
You guys think S60 is dated phone as just Nokia told you so. Guys, they also told us that phones like 5230, 5233, etc. don't support home screen, but I've many apps like Youlu, TTPod (latest), etc. that have their own home screen widget on my 5230.
You know with the same power 5230 has, you can easily run Android over it (upto 2.1 for sure). That also means hell lots of apps possible. Surely it's not a hardware issue at all when we miss an update, it's their bloody money making decision.
And yeah, after yesterday's deal, N8 users also fall under obsolete category. Whatever these Nokia guys say, rest assured you won't get a single update after 6 months or so as WP7 is coming (n Nokia will ask you to change phone when WP7 software gets updated).
BIG HATE!
-- Don't like Nokia anymore, but bounded till handset lasts.
Nokia Support is very bad at last2-3 years!
The users must buy a new phone 2 times a year to have new software and FW updates!!!
In past Nokia was the best but now Nokia sucks with support and software!!!
The next Phone i buy is window ore Android the service is excelent and software and FW updtes very nice and functionable!!!
My Friends all was in the past Nokia fans but now i'm the last and now i will change to!!!
I't can not be the anyone buy a phone for 300 or more Euro and since one year the support stops and the user must buy a new one!!!
The support and software compability was the sing that hade amke Nokia good and now this is lost!!!
Nokia is bad now and so many users go away from Nokia!
Please Nokia change your mind!!!
@torsten.wuensch
Bugreports for 3.06 are deleted. I posted one and disappeared from the forum.
Crashes, missing features (no history delete, no Address search, like in 3.04, etc). This version is perfect, Isn't It? ;-)
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koricz,
It must have moved to 3.6 forum as this is forum for 3.7 exprmtl. no one will delete your post.
discuss problems of 3.7 here if there are any.
The problem is adressed by a huge group of users, but Nokia decline acceptance. Adress unknown? Poor cowardly Nokia.
@nokias_autumn
Well, I would say they have stuck their necks out pretty much on this...
It is a rather bold move, to cut out about half the mass of existing users.
...So "dumb" sounds more like the word than "cowardly" IMHO
Best Regards
Eske Rahn
I am an s60v5 user it's quiet amazing (c5-03), I have a simple question:
If OVI MAPS 3.07 won't be available, can we(s60v5 users) still explore and load maps on earlier version of OVI MAPS, or not.And for when.
By the way Symbian^3 is like the Symbian^1 (s60v5) they are almost the same with same processor so I don't think it's the matter of OS but Nokia feels that OVI maps is popular so it wants to sell more Symbian^3 expensive mobile phones by introducing a ONLY SYMBIAN^3 compatible OVI maps version...
Thanks in advance for who answer my question.
Am I right in thinking if I was to buy a C7 which is basically the replacement for the X6, I'd get the map updates etc? I'd be looking at potentially £230 to do this sim free or a new 18 month contract which is the option I don't want to do and if I could get a cheap sim free C7 I'd consider it.
@above: Don't buy Nokia at all n u're sorted.
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hamzewassim,
Both the applications 3.06 on 5th edition phones and 3.07 on ^3 phones are using the same land-map right now. you can see the improved changes on the land map on maps.ovi.com site. I think when they will update the map for Mobile phone navigation the we all should get an upgraded map to update.
I totally understand why 5.0 users are angry that the Maps apps won't be updated now. I'm sorry. I understand that knowing more information about why the decision was made doesn't solve your problem, but that's all I can offer.
Maps has to run on C or its performance severely suffers.
The app is big and only getting bigger.
We already struggled a lot with memory problems on 5.0 devices with version 3.06. We had a terrible time with crashes during route calculation, which not only happens at the beginning of the routing but also if you go off the path or lose your signal and you get a route recalculation. We did managed to solve these problems so we could release version 3.06.
A lite version could be possible, but it would mean that we would now be building two separate apps. That means twice the development effort. Like I said, we have limited resources and we can't do everything. It's not our team who would make this decision to develop a maps app for 5.0, but it doesn't hurt to voice your opinion here so that Nokia knows how disappointed you are.
@tracy_rolling
Indeed we are disappointed. But thanks for the thorough explanation though.
I have without any problems simply uninstalled a lot off all the social 'stuff' that are rammed down our throats without asking during install with 3.06 ;-)
So it is NOT a question of having two separate versions, It's a question of having ONE common basic maps/navigation app, AND then offer all the additional fancy stuff as OPTIONS only available for S^3 as plug-ins.
Simply make "Check in" yet another item on the list under "More".
Perhaps even make the entire "More" branch a S^3 only thing.
Best Regards
Eske Rahn
N97mini 0592616, 12.0.110, Swype 1.00(16481) with Danish dictionary. 1.00(18885), GigFinder 2.00(1103)
@tracy_rolling
You make me laugh. Really!
What do u think, no Nokia user is a developer? Well, why the hell it's required to put app in C: only when most of the apps run perfectly smooth when kept on memory drive, which also includes some of the maps app as well? Yeah, while running you can have the swap files on C:, which will solve both space and performance issues.
and as @EskeRahn suggested, what's the problem in this approach? Basic map data and basic UI stuffs are same for every clients. You can checkin Symbian^3 specific changes to other branch and rest in common. How much time or effort or as a matter of fact resources do you need for this, huh?
It's all stupid marketing thing you guys are trying, which I don't see is fruitful especially with failing market share n losing trust in your brand.
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@tracy_rolling, Thanks for the clarification. I'm happy to know that there is a technical reason behind it. (Ghosts of Past mistakes haunting Nokia)
I don't mind giving up on the freebies that come piggyback on Ovi Maps. Except for the 'Check in' that some people use, almost everything else is pretty much skippable. The team should create a clean Ovi Maps version. 'More' option sounds like a great idea for not just s60v5 but Symbian overall as something tells me Nokia will continue to penny-pinch on the internal memory chips, without learning from their mistakes.
Well, had remained already disappointed by the 5800 XM but I have wanted to try to give anchor trust to Nokia with N97 mine but now I clearly understand that have been wrong once more! Patience, will mean that to the next telephone Nokia will have lost a client! I know, it won't probably interest the thing in Nokia but if many others will do as me then him that the thing will become for Nokia interesting.
With the best regards
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HI Tracy, Thanks for the reply .. but will tell you one thing.. I am using Sygic Mobile, and Garmin Mobile XT on the Same N97 and use both the apps almost daily. I have never had any problem with any of them though both are (apps and Maps) are on E: .. Sygic is like it works so perfectly in India that i feel not to use it again and again i might make it unusable by using again and again.. it never made me to change or take the different route. always give me the best possible route. stability is beyond my expectations.
C: memory full problem is not new.. you know that since last two years. then why still new version on C:??? frankly I have one tampered version of OVI maps 3.6 Graduated.. I have got from my friend. it gets install almost 85% on N97's E: .. I can email it to you if you want. Its working very much perfect on my friends N97. Seriously why cant Nokia provide an official application which can get installed on E and solve most of the memory problems?..
I feel that the Marketing Policy of Nokia Management is not allowing the developers to make many useful and user friendly things in the map application .. No hard feelings but fact is fact.
One more simple question:
Doesn't Nokia already using Pinch & Zoom in 3.06?
Well, as far as I know, for that as well they have to code separately for Symbian^3 devices (or if-else check per se). So anyways you're doing stuffs exclusive of Symbian^3, s60v5 n I hope for v40 as well, so why not now? A simple check (same if-else clause) can be put for some of the advanced feature which you expect in Symbian^3 so that it will not appear in s60v5 and both clients are good to go.
Will Nokia, will. You will not do this, n i'll not buy another device just for this.
n.b. - Now Google Maps on Android is working much smoother n better compared to OVI on Nokia. Count your days!
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@tracy: Why must the app be getting bigger? Just stay on basic navigation and forget all that "social"!!!!
@Eske: Could you tell what I can uninstall without breaking the basic navigation?
btw. your comments are top :)
regards J.O.
Press helpful button if you found it so...
To all nokia users, I read a moment ago that ovi maps 3.07 beta is for Symbian^3 as a beta and it will be graduted for Symbian^1(s60v5) too,
all thought this version is for Dev UI. Because Symbian^3 is the most reliable
phone for developpers. As it is the newest nokia symbian model.
Thanks in advance for any support...
And Please nokia don't throw s60v5 users!!
@jtox5
Thanks for the roses. :)
I've posted it somewhere, I think twice in the 3.06 forum somewhere. I'll try to dig it up.
But basically anything with "check in", or "share" and also the "s60soa"-bugfix (or is it "s60s0a"???)
The benefits of the huge bugfix is very minor to me, and not worth the space used IMHO, it has only affected the stability of manually synchronizing the favourites slightly. (Failed twice since removal approximately in February, but a retry did it, so VERY minor improvement)
...
It took some digging, thank God for the "site:" option on google search...
#34 on
http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/ovi-maps-for-mobile-v3-06/suggestion/1287...
and
http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/ovi-maps-for-mobile-v3-06-check-in-update...
But I haven't seen the mentioned problems on manual favourites sync crashes since short after uninstall, so it might have been something else that was wrong then, or maybe some more trimming has stabilized things, I have been 'axing' a bit of things I didn't use...
@tracy_rolling
Thanks for the clarification - part of the reason is as I suspected - space on the C: drive. I do feel that is something Nokia can resolve by releasing an updated firmware with 3.07 embedded. Isn't that an option, even if it is delayed a bit?
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@ tracy...
You have always been nice and helpful to everyone on the forum I have observed that since long.we all know you personally do not develop OVI Map application but This time we seriously request you to forward this whole thread to the top Management. We want them to know what people think.. About all the problems.. E: install, 5th edition compatibility, and many other things. I hope you will do the nedful.
regards
Nitin Ule